{"id":249910,"date":"2022-03-22T16:23:02","date_gmt":"2022-03-22T20:23:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/questcanada.org\/?post_type=project&#038;p=249910"},"modified":"2025-11-18T11:23:34","modified_gmt":"2025-11-18T16:23:34","slug":"energy-efficiency-for-and-by-first-nations","status":"publish","type":"project","link":"https:\/\/questcanada.org\/fr\/project\/energy-efficiency-for-and-by-first-nations\/","title":{"rendered":"Once More Unto The Insulation \u2013 Energy efficiency for and by First Nations"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; next_background_color=&#8221;#ffffff&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.19.4&#8243; background_color=&#8221;#007A78&#8243; background_enable_image=&#8221;off&#8221; background_position=&#8221;top_center&#8221; background_vertical_offset=&#8221;19%&#8221; background_blend=&#8221;multiply&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;157px|0px|157px|0px|true|false&#8221; bottom_divider_style=&#8221;arrow2&#8243; animation_style=&#8221;zoom&#8221; 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But the places we seek shelter in have profound impacts on the size of our carbon footprints and the quality of our lives: sustainability, for both people and the planet, begins at home.<\/p>\n<p>Gordon Hart has spent much of his career grappling with this simple truth. A soft-spoken man with big ideas, he cut his teeth in the energy field as a building inspector with Nova Scotia\u2019s Department of Municipal Affairs and Housing in the 1980s. Gordon ascended to the role of housing manager with the Department before following his passion for residential health and wellness and becoming a certified indoor air quality investigator in Winnipeg. Eventually, he returned home to the Wagmatcook First Nation reserve on Cape Breton Island, taking on the role of community construction supervisor. Homes built during his tenure routinely earned Energy Star scores of 86 or higher, \u201ctop performers\u201d in the arena of energy efficiency.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s not rocket science,\u201d says Gordon of his track record. \u201cYou basically just pay attention to the details.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Details such as the integrity of a building\u2019s envelope; the quality of its insulation; and, of course, its source of heat: all of which are as relevant to old buildings as they are to new ones. In 2018, these details became the foundations of the Mi\u2019Kmaq Home Energy Efficiency Project (MHEEP), a partnership between Efficiency Nova Scotia and the province\u2019s 13 Mi\u2019kmaq communities, which Gordon was recruited to help design and implement. His goal from the start was nothing less than to retrofit all 2,400 band-owned buildings in Nova Scotia, with strategies like draft-proofing, improved insulation, and high-performance heat pumps, in order to reduce the cost of heating and the associated greenhouse gas emissions.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt was ambitious,\u201d he admits.<\/p>\n<p>To meet the project\u2019s targets, Gordon designed MHEEP to be as streamlined and efficient as possible. For one thing, he made sure the project\u2019s point-person in each community was the band\u2019s own housing manager: someone who not only lived and worked on-site, but who had the authority and local connections to make informed decisions in a timely manner. Gordon also insisted that each reserve choose its own contractor to do the actual retrofits, allowing them to select businesses which had relationships and built trust in the community. In this way, Gordon had boots on the ground in year one of the project; by the end of 2021, Efficiency Nova Scotia predicts upgrades of 450 buildings will have been completed, with several hundred more awaiting their final energy assessments.<\/p>\n<p>With $14 million in combined support from the provincial and federal governments, funding hasn\u2019t been a limiting factor for the project. Gordon can provide the necessary labour and equipment at no cost to the communities. Instead, the problem has been a lack of things to spend it on. One of the many impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic has been a widespread disruption of supply chains, which has limited access to basic supplies. Progress ground to a halt this spring, for instance, due to a simple shortage of electrical switches. Despite these challenges, the number of homes completed each year has risen steadily.<\/p>\n<p>And the benefits of the project are already being felt. Residents in retrofitted buildings are saving an average of $750 on heating costs annually, as well as reducing their CO2 emissions by 2-3 tonnes.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Gordon has seen other benefits that are not so easily quantified. Families in retrofitted houses have reported being able to reinvest the money they are saving on their heating bills into other parts of the buildings. Elders who were being driven from their homes by excessive heat in the summer and cold in the winter have reported being able to comfortably enjoy their domiciles year-round. And residential air quality has been on the rise too, thanks to the extra airflow from heat pumps; less frequent use of oil furnaces and wood stoves; and because Gordon had contractors service the ventilation systems of participating homes during retrofits, a priority carried over from his days as an air quality investigator. Stories like these are now common across the 13 reserves.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMost of the conversations about our work in these communities have been very, very positive,\u201d says Gordon.<\/p>\n<p>A key to sustaining these positive impacts are sustained is ensuring that the new equipment can be maintained, by residents themselves and by the professionals installing them. This is another reason Gordon wanted each community to choose its own contractor: so that these local businesses could become more familiar with the technology and thus be able to service it down the road. Gordon also made sure that all residents receiving retrofits were given a crash course in the function and maintenance of their heat pumps. Regularly cleaned filters go a long way towards ensuring efficiency and performance.<\/p>\n<p>In terms of sustaining these efforts beyond the community scale, there is a shortage of energy efficiency professionals in Nova Scotia generally, Gordon laments \u2014 energy advisors in particular. If building energy retrofits like ones implemented through MHEEP are going to become widespread \u2014 and he fully expects they will, given the new federal rebate programs \u2014 the energy efficiency sector is going to need more qualified people to make them happen.<\/p>\n<p>In order to recruit them, Gordon is turning again to the Mi\u2019kmaq. He recently took on a new portfolio with Efficiency Nova Scotia, becoming the education and outreach specialist for the region of Atlantic Canada. The role will focus on encouraging the First Nations of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, and Labrador to take up careers in the energy efficiency sector, and helping them to navigate the twists and turns of training and certification. In this way, Gordon hopes to prepare these communities, and Atlantic Canada at large, for an energy conscious future. The program is being designed in collaboration with the communities it will serve, and its exact shape remains to be seen.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s exciting,\u201d he says of his new role. \u201cWe need to go forward with a vision, to change our habits and see what we can do for Mother Earth.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-3\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section][et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.19.5&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.19.4&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; width_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; width_phone=&#8221;&#8221; width_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; max_width=&#8221;100%&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;||0px|2px||&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.19.4&#8243; 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The platform inspires, informs and engages its readership with stories and articles detailing community energy initiatives being led by local governments, municipalities, Indigenous communities, community groups, non-profits, charities, and enterprising individuals.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=&#8221;1_2&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.20.0&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_image src=&#8221;https:\/\/questcanada.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Untitled-design-2.png&#8221; alt=&#8221;QUEST Canada logo&#8221; title_text=&#8221;Untitled design-2&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.20.0&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; width=&#8221;50%&#8221; width_tablet=&#8221;30%&#8221; width_phone=&#8221;40%&#8221; width_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; module_alignment=&#8221;left&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][\/et_pb_image][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.20.0&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2><b style=\"font-family: 'Aksidenz Grotesk', Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 26px;\">About QUEST Canada<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">QUEST Canada is a national non-profit that supports communities in Canada on their pathway to net-zero. Since 2007, we\u2019ve been facilitating connections, empowering community champions and influencing decision-makers to implement efficient and integrated energy systems that best meet community needs and maximize local opportunities. 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